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December 2, 2003

Email Forwards

I got another email scam forwared to me today. It was about a phone call that could cost you £260 if you press 9 like it tells you to if you get an phone call telling you that you've won a prize. Lets analyse this email...

Fair enough, you could press 9 to hear the further details. I have no problem with this, menus work on the tones all the time (as you'll well know...)

Ummm... right. So I press 9 and my phone will magically disconnect and phone someone else on a preimum rate number? Yeah. or what about pressing 9 will automatically reverse charges... 'cause we hear about that alllll the time.

This would be possible if they were phoning you I suppose - if you phone someone and don't hang up they can't use there phone until you do - but then they are paying the fee not you. Not sure what would happen in a reverse the charges situation to be honest, I've never tried it. However the reverse charge situation looks a bit, erm, impossible to me anyway...

This is the ultimate, "it's pure bullshit clincher". BT can't do anything to stop it, yeah, right. Who will be trying to get the £260 phone bill off you? The randoms in the foreign country? No. Oh, it'll be the telephone providers who are trying to stop it. That doesn't make any sense now does it?

So now here's my plan. It's a pact right. You sign here in the comments and you say that you'll never forward an informational this might save you (or someone else) money, or save a childs life, or stop someones harddrive being wiped by the lastest most evil virus email again. Ever. No matter how plausable it looks. Fair enough if the email wasn't a scam (I've never seen one that wasn't yet...) then it's just a pity and the child dies because Bill Gates didn't register the million emails. It really doesn't matter if you don't forward it. If something really is a bad thing then don't you think it'll be all over the newspapers and the TV?

So yeah, sign away... :)

I'm also humoured by sites on the Internet warning about this supposed phone scam, there are some really guillable people out there!

[Listening to: 20 Minute Crash - Sunshine]
Posted by Ed at December 2, 2003 3:14 PM | Forwards | Rant |
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I've got people in my office well trained. Any mass-forward mail like that gets a reply-to-all with a link to Snopes confirming that it's all bollocks. Nothing like public humiliation to make people think twice :-)

There are two particular bits of comedy in that one:
1) "The final part of the call asks you to key in your postcode..."
My postcode is half composed of letters. My phone keypad isn't. This could well be a translated mail from the USA where zip codes are all numbers.

2) "The only safe solution is to hang up before the message prompts you to press 9."
How do you know that it's going to prompt you??

Posted by: Joe on December 4, 2003 4:38 PM

Very good points Joe :)

Russ says there were people in the pub on Sunday handing out flyers warning of this scam. Sweet.

Posted by: Ed on December 4, 2003 6:08 PM

I couldn't find any mention of it on snopes - the closest was this...I suppose it could have started off as the same thing - although there seem to be too many diffences really.
Oh, guliable (sp!?) me...!

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/scams/jailcall.htm

Posted by: Sarah on December 5, 2003 12:02 AM

We used to get hoaxes just like this one when I did support for BASF.... Not really a new concept.

I'll forward things like this if I believe in them, but I've not seen one yet, and I'd probably run it past someone competent as a sanity check as well. I don't think I've ever spammed a list in this style (I normally spam it back with the obligatory "no, it's only a hoax" email)

Posted by: Chris on December 6, 2003 1:14 AM

This mail got distributed around our offices a couple of days ago, and I too found it pretty unbelievable - I couldn't understand how they would begin billing me on a call they initiated?

However, at twenty to one this m morning I received a call telling me I'd won "an £800 pound prize". I was instructed I'd have to claim it within 24 hours and to press 1 to accept or 2 to reject the prize - the message stated that it was very important I pressed 2 if I didn't want the prize. It also read out my telephone number at the start of the call, and when I tried doing 1471 it said they did not have the number, rather than the usual "caller witheld", which does normally indicate an international caller.

I dropped the line, and although it rang back 20 minutes later it did not ring again after that. Perhaps this uses some sort of reverse charging scam, and the keytone indicates acceptance of charges?

Anyway, I've been searching for conclusive info on it (that's how I arrived here :) ), but given my experience either it isn't a hoax or someone is pranking me.

Deano

Posted by: Deano on December 17, 2003 3:29 PM

I've also had quite a few scam calls, either missed calls that ring once (hoping you will call back), of text messages saying that I've won something wonderful (call back to claim) and a few other weird calls. There are scams out there but the above isn't one of them. Scams are easy to avoid by not being gullible and/or stupid.

I got this hoax from someone in the finance department, the idiot just gets them and passes them on to feel all important and useful. Can everyone make it their business publicly to tear them down when they do! :-)

Think about it, investigate it, delete it!

Posted by: Ian D on December 23, 2003 1:05 PM

Just been thinking about the possibility of reverse charging after being called by a random. How does 0800 REVERSE work? You know the thing advertised by Holly Valance. I don't actually know... but even if it is possible, there's still a load of bullshit in the hoax.

Posted by: Ed on January 4, 2004 6:08 PM

From http://www.icstis.org.uk/icstis2002/default.asp?node=-1

£20 Per Minute Telephone 'Scam' - An Urban Myth

Over the last few days ICSTIS has received hundreds of enquiries about the above 'scam', which is being widely publicised by e-mail. To help us put an end to the current spate of enquiries, please pass this information on to all contacts.

The apparent 'deception' takes place when people receive a recorded message informing them that they have won an all-expenses paid holiday and are asked to press 9 to hear further details. It is then claimed that callers are connected to a £20.00 per minute premium rate line that will still charge them for a minimum of five minutes even if they disconnect immediately. It is also claimed that, if callers stay connected, the entire message lasts for approximately 11 minutes, costing £220.00. Please note this is not true.

A £20.00 per minute premium rate tariff does not exist - the highest premium rate tariff available is £1.50 per minute. Despite the hundreds of enquiries received by ICSTIS about this 'scam' (and most have heard about it second or third-hand), not one person who claims that it has actually happened to them has been able to produce a phone bill to support their story.

ICSTIS urges any individual or organisation that receives an e-mail about this scam to delete it immediately. Please do not forward it on to others.

Posted by: Ed on January 6, 2004 12:17 PM

I thought that it'd only be fair to link back to these people:

http://www.hintsandthings.com/livingroom/hoax.htm

Posted by: Ed on January 9, 2004 9:34 PM

This kind of thing pisses me off. A lot. I could be downloading at twice the speed if it wasn't for the internet being clogged up with all useless crap e-mails. Particularly the ones with a word doc attached, they're the worst.

Posted by: mark on January 25, 2004 11:52 AM

I just got this very phone call tonight. v. odd.

Posted by: Bruno on April 18, 2004 12:17 AM

i was trying to find some cool forwards while i was at school, but i cant seem to find anything!! well i guess i will talk to yall later~

Posted by: Whitney on May 10, 2004 4:30 PM

The idea of email forwards isn't that you find them. It's that you get emailed them... and then you forward them on.

But email forwards are evil. So why you'd want to find them in the 1st place I don't know!

I've only get email forwards from one source now, which is quite cool. Haven't worked on converting him yet.

Oh, here is the best email forward I've ever got...


PERSONALITY TEST

First, get a pen and paper.

Second, write the numbers one through six.

Next to number one, write any number.

Next to number two, write the name of anyone to which you are really attracted.

Next to three, write down the first color you can think of.

Next to number four, write the name of your first pet.

Next to numbers five and six write down the name of a family member.


Remember...no cheating...keep scrolling down...


Don't cheat, or you'll be upset...

Here's the answers...

The number next to number one show how many times you should be smacked over the head with a baseball bat for thinking that stupid e-mails like this actually mean anything. You are probably the same idiot who forwards e-mails from the Microsoft/Disney e-mail tracking project.

The person named next to number two is someone who will never sleep with you because you're stupid enough to waste your time on something like this.

The colour you picked means nothing. It's a fucking colour for Christ sake.

Number four is the name of a dead animal.

Numbers five and six represent family members who are embarrassed to be related to you.

Pass this on to everyone you know, so they can feel like a twat too.

Posted by: Ed on May 10, 2004 4:50 PM

Dude, that is so going to the next person that sends me a personality test forward....usually people like Face. Hey man, you've met him! :)

Posted by: Jonny on May 11, 2004 3:57 PM

I had a spate of calls telling me I had won such and such. I dialed the operator to see if I could get them blocked from my line, and was told that there was no way that they could charge me for the call *unless* I responded to the prompts they gave me (i.e. pressing x digit now). So, I don't think it is a hoax, personally.

Posted by: Mat on August 6, 2004 5:29 PM

im wondering where you got the 20 minute crash - sunshine song from i cant get it anywhere. Do u have the website url possibly thanks josh

Posted by: josh on December 9, 2004 10:39 PM

i live in the uk and i did get a call asking me to press 9 and i had won a prize i hung up straight away because i had read the "hoax" email that i now know to be true

Posted by: angie on June 23, 2005 10:43 PM
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